are vestages of just such an unfamiliar society. i mean, that's actually sort of -- it's interesting. i mean, he does explain sort of where he was at and how he thought doma was sort of neutralized. the issue of gay marriage from going to the courts and make it more incendiary. you do have to wonder, chris, was it, hmm, you just realize that you were on the wrong side of history here, or -- >> it's also a reminder, i think, when people talk about bill clinton dwikly and his legacy, and particularly when they talk about the clinton-gingrich relationship as a precedent or model for what president obama is dealing with. people forget how much awful legislation came out of that partnership. i mean, we got this -- the effective death penalty act, which is a disaster that any death penalty attorney will tell you is a disaster. we got doma out of that. we got welfare reform, which i think is a mixed bag, but actually largely as time goz, we'll work our way through the great recession, support all it was cracked up to be. >> it changes the way we measure welfare and welfare recipients.